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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Aug 24, 2010 1:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: 11/10/67 - Yanked from LMA? Why? Plus, another LA Times clip

November 10, 1967
Shrine Exposition Hall
Los Angeles, California

Viola Lee Blues, It Hurts Me Too, Beat It On Down The Line, Morning Dew, Good Morning Little School Girl, Alligator-> Drums-> Alligator-> Caution (Do Not Stop on Tracks)

Is this the most essential GD recording of ’67? With a 15-minute Viola Lee to open and 22-minute Caution to close, I’d be hard-pressed to suggest another. Despite some unfortunate cuts, this recording really shines. This is a huge Pig show, and he’s on top of his game throughout.

11/10 is the first of a two-night stand in LA during a quiet November for the band, at least as far as live performances go. They spent a good part of the month in the North Hollywood studio recording songs like Dark Star and Born Cross-eyed. 11/10 and 11/11 at the Shrine are the only two shows we have from this historic month. These shows were played at the Shrine Exposition Hall – which is sometimes confused with the more luxurious Shrine Auditorium. This was just a big hall in that same complex. The Dead was part of a bill that night that included Buffalo Springfield, who had just released what was probably their best album.

Poster from the Shrine show: http://img339.imageshack.us/i/shrineposter1967600.jpg/

Unfortunately, it now appears that the streaming mp3s of 11/10/67 have been removed from Archive.org, without any explanation. A note informs the would-be listener that the item was removed due to a “problem with the item’s content.” I’m sure glad I already have a copy of this show, because it’s pretty fantastic. One possible problem could be that, as many have already pointed out right there at the LMA, some tracks were mixed into Anthem of the Sun, while others were included in the 2003 reissue. Bottom line is – at least as of Aug 24, 2010 – you cannot access this show anymore. It used to be streamable here:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd67-11-10.sbd.sacks.1612.sbeok.shnf

11/11 is still available, and is also an excellent show. They play several of the same songs, though not as many. Notably included in the 11/10 show but not the 11/11 are the opening Viola Lee Blues and the closing Alligator> Caution extravaganza. There seems to have been some debate about exactly what was played at each of these shows. A note at deadlists.com says that the vault reels for both shows had the exact same Alligator> Caution segment, but presumed that it was from the 11/10 show.

The LA Times review (posted below) of the 11/10 show seems to confirm that Alligator> Caution is from that date: “Garcia and Pigpen crossfired gospel shouts for part of the number and the quintet’s instrumental rapport was the best it has been in local appearances.” However, the review curiously omits the huge Viola Lee Blues that opens the show – even suggesting that they “took several numbers to warm up, giving routine performances of “On Down the Line,” “Morning Dew” and “Good Morning Little Schoolgirl.” Makes me wonder whether the writer showed up late, or if that track is perhaps from another show. He also calls The Other One the “best of their new songs” and erroneously credits Jerry with the vocals.

LA Times clip: http://img34.imageshack.us/i/lat19671114.jpg/



This post was modified by snow_and_rain on 2010-08-24 20:54:58

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Aug 24, 2010 2:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 11/10/67 - Yanked from LMA? Why? Plus, another LA Times clip

In a parallel universe, right now I'm posting something to intentionally annoy you or push your buttons. Today we seem to be in some synchronicity. Could 11/10/67 be the next Vault Release? Or is it unstreamable for any of a number of other reasons?

At 98 points, I score it the highest of any performance from '67. In vault-remastered sound quality, it potentially could garner a higher score!

It's in the vault. At least the dynamite performance of Good Morning Little Schoolgirl...

http://www.dead.net/features/may-24-30-2010

With the exception of Midnight Hour (9/3/67) on "Fallout From the Phil Zone", Same Thing (3/18/67) in the "So Many Roads Box" and the Violas (9/3/67) bonus track on the first album remaster, they have given us nothing from 1967, so we are long overdue.

I hope this is the reason 11/10/67 is no longer available here, but normally the files are pulled after the show is released. Unfortunately, more likely it's unavailale for some other reason...

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Aug 24, 2010 6:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 11/10/67 - Yanked from LMA? Why? Plus, another LA Times clip

That is one I would buy in a heartbeat .
But ,
do you think something was lost w/ the 2 - 14 - 68 release ?
I checked my old tape and it sounds better in some ways . There is something in the muddiness that propels the force of that performance . Is this my own weird hearing or with the clarity of one's and zero's have we lost something ?

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Aug 24, 2010 8:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 11/10/67 - Yanked from LMA? Why? Plus, another LA Times clip

"with the clarity of one's and zero's have we lost something?"

w/o a freakin' doubt!


FYI, and not to rub it in (well, ok, a little), Los Lobos played free set here last Sunday for a celebration - day after Charlie Sexton's band played the fairgrounds. Sexton was great, but his lead singer was largely unintelligble although I loved Hollis Brown and the Lonesome Death of Hattie Carol

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Aug 24, 2010 8:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 11/10/67 - Yanked from LMA? Why? Plus, another LA Times clip/ And Free Music

Is this payback from dire ?
Grrrr.

That's some old RZ you heard . Did the Wolves play West L.A. ? This is a great free link ( and legal )for Tin Can Trust .

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128540202

This post was modified by micah6vs8 on 2010-08-25 03:48:48

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Aug 25, 2010 8:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 11/10/67 - Yanked from LMA? Why? Plus, another LA Times clip/ And Free Music

No, but they gave us Bertha as the closer. It was just an hour set - they were playing Mountain Winery that night with John Hiatt and this was free neighborhood benefit deal. It was nice to be able to walk right up to the stage and watch the interaction. My 9 yr old had a full weekend of music.

Thanks for the link. Will listen after TDIH's '72 Berkeley COmmunity Theatre show

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Aug 25, 2010 3:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 11/10/67 - Hijack furthered to respond to micah

Hey, LOVE the new Los Lobos. They do West LA better (at least in the studio). I was there at Laguna Seca when Hidalgo joined in for the same.

Anyway, I hit the next NPR link and first song is Robert Plant's new release with Buddy Miller where first song is a cover of ... Los Lobos' "Angel Dance". Great version. Gotta love it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K-3HxHs_aA

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Aug 24, 2010 2:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 11/10/67 - Yanked from LMA? Why? Plus, another LA Times clip

It would make a fine official release. That's for sure.

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Poster: smokinchains Date: Aug 24, 2010 2:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 11/10/67 - Yanked from LMA? Why? Plus, another LA Times clip

I can see and stream them fine! Must have been a bug?

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Aug 24, 2010 2:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 11/10/67 - Yanked from LMA? Why? Plus, another LA Times clip

Really? Still doesn't work for me, no matter what browser I use. Other shows are just fine. Am I the only one?

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Aug 24, 2010 2:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 11/10/67 - Yanked from LMA? Why? Plus, another LA Times clip

I can't stream it, but the fact that the player is still attached and other folks are able to stream the show seems to indicate that unfortunately, the next official release will likely be a dogshit show from 1984 or 1987...

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Aug 24, 2010 2:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 11/10/67 - Yanked from LMA? Why? Plus, another LA Times clip

ditto here - see content, will not stream. (Mac, both Safari and Firefox)

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Aug 24, 2010 6:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 11/10/67 - Yanked from LMA? Why? Plus, another LA Times clip

If you click on the box on the left to stream through your own player you get this message.

"The item is not available due to issues with the item's content."

http://ia361300.us.archive.org/7/items/gd67-11-10.sbd.sacks.1612.sbeok.shnf/gd67-11-10.sbd.sacks.1612.sbeok.shnf_vbr.m3u

makes me think the show was not pulled. If it were pulled it would not still say "This audio is available in streaming format" in the banner in the top as well.

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Aug 24, 2010 2:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 11/10/67 - Yanked from LMA? Why? Plus, another LA Times clip

I get the content message and no stream in firefox

When trying embedded player I get nothing

Maybe I need to toggle my cookie

This post was modified by jglynn1.2 on 2010-08-24 21:42:18

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Aug 24, 2010 2:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 11/10/67 - Yanked from LMA? Why? Plus, another LA Times clip

"Maybe I need to toggle my cookie"

Please remember that this is a family forum.

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Poster: Finster Baby Date: Aug 24, 2010 4:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 11/10/67 - Yanked from LMA? Why? Plus, another LA Times clip

Not working for me either.
there are reviews from 8/11/10 and 8/1410 indicating that it has been unable to be streamed for a couple of weeks now.

Edit: I guess you already know that Snow and Rain. One of them is yours...DOH!

This post was modified by Finster Baby on 2010-08-24 23:37:05

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